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Question - Cheap and cheerfull flash?

Discussion in 'Photography and Video Forum' started by CarbonLlama, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. CarbonLlama

    CarbonLlama 28DL Full Member
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    I have a Nikon D60 and am looking for a lovely cheap external flash gun for it. I have a very cheap budget of as cheap as I can get it but i don't really want to be going above £80. I seem to be able to get cheap ones that are full manual and slightly more expensive ones which have TTL included but less other features. How important is TTL? I am a student so can't afford too much kit so this will preferably be an all round flash :)

    Also, the units triggered by the pop up flash, does this mean you will always have the lighting from the front of the camera as well as wherever you have positioned the flash gun since the pop up flash is triggering the flash gun?

    I've been looking at these three:
    YN560III Yongnuo

    Jessops 360AFD

    Viltrox JY-620N

    Many many thanks :)
     

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  2. The Kwan

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    Dont know if it helps you but below is an explanation of the Nikons lighting term but If you buy a flash without TTL you will have to revert back to the old way of using the ISO and distance to guess your fstop, great for film but crap for digital.

    TTL is also the acronym for Through The Lens. TTL metering means that the camera measures the light coming into the camera lens to calculate the flash exposure.

    Lastly your new flash will only be triggered by your pop up flash when used as a slave(off your camera) whilst on your camera it will be just fine and use the cameras own circuitry...is TTL important, I would say yes.
     
  3. CarbonLlama

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    Ah ok thanks, that explains the difference between iTTL and TTL for me then :)

    I realise that is only the case when being used as a slave, that's what I meant really, will I always have some front illumination from the pop up flash even if e.g. I am only trying to get side illumination and the flash gun is to the side of my subject?
     
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    I have used my flash as a slave and the extra light from the pop up flash was negligable to be honest but will differ I suppose with distance between you, your slave and your subject, also TTL makes sure that the main subject in focus is exposed correctly but iTTL makes the background exposed aswell, my D300 uses a series of pre flashes to meter the exposure before firing but to be honest I dont use iTTL as it didnt seem to work very well for me.
     
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    Increase your budget a little bit and get one of these.
    Gloxy

    The only flash you will ever need.
     
  6. CarbonLlama

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    Thanks to both of you for your help, I think I'm gonna go with the gloxy after all since it does seem great and might stop me having to pay out again for another flash any time soon. :)
     
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    You do know that flashes are of minimal use in this game, don't you?
     
  8. Styru

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    Yup, what Muttley says - by all means buy a flash - but don't think you need one for the sort of work you'll see on these forums- flash is an extreme rarity here.
     
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    Buy the Yonguo 560. The ttl metering works a treat & it shames the other manufacturers on price.
    If you want versatile buy two or three of the cheap manual ones as they have a great built in slave function, this lends itself to experimentation on a budget..
    The pop up flash can trigger the slave even when diffused down to a level that won't show on an image. All you need is duck tape and cardboard.
    Quack, quack.:cool
     
  10. CarbonLlama

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    Yeah I realise a lot of the stuff posted on here is lit either naturally or by torch light but I'd still like a flash and so I thought I'd ask as this seems to be where awesome photographers gather :)
     
  11. CarbonLlama

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    The yongnuo 560 doesn't have TTL metering though...?
     
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    My bad. Just checked the label on mine and its a yn565ex it is the cheapest with ttl metering at about £70.
    I have the cheap as chips yn 460 (£25) and find I use this regularly with its slave function being useful.
    I am no strobeist but two of these are a great budget combination.
    As other contributors have suggested a tripod and a decent small LED torch is the preferred option for many, improved only with a box of quality street chocky wrappers.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/stu8fish/8436858704/
     
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    I use the Yongnuo YN565 and it's a pretty good flash for the money, obviously not as high build quality as the proper Canon/Nikon stuff but it certainly does the trick. On Canon you can set the pop up flash to act as a trigger only, so it only puts out a pretty negligible amount of light. You can set it to act as a light source too, so you can get a bit of illumination from the front, not too bad if you want a catch light.
     
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