Rope Ladders

[catbalou]

Anyone know places I can get some? They dont have to be massively long. was thinking of making some myself, but I seriously doubt my 'handyman expertise' in this type of thing :rolleyes:

[the invisableman]

The stuff of ninjas!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-KNOTTED-CLIMBING-ROPE.-LADDER-CLIMBING-FRAME-ACCES_W0QQitemZ120608076853QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=2 21233589701&rvr_id=221233589701&cguid=b994ad7c12a0a0a9ef82f9d2ffb3dbd7#ht_1446wt_9 60

[diehardlove]

Dont bother they are shit and if you make them out of blue rope they will just stretch and twist and you will be fucked ask petzl about getting stuck in a well lol,
If you want a proper one electron ladder from ebay ive got 3 they are not heavy or bulky as some people make out and a window cleaning pole or better get a suitcase ladder off ebay paid £50 for one of mine 3.2 meters and you can carry it around easy.

[PeZ]

yup, what Dhl said, there good.

You can also get emergency ladders, 15 foot one on ebay for £50 with a handy hook system but a bit more bulky
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Safe-15-foot-255-lbs-fire-loft-emergency-escape-ladder-/140523058523?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20b7d3b55b#ht_699wt_883

[catbalou]

Ah cool.. thanks for the replies :)

suitcase ladder sounds canny.. since i'd need to be carrying it about a bit. Have a telescopic one, but its bloody heavy to lug around :)

[diehardlove]

Ah cool.. thanks for the replies :)

suitcase ladder sounds canny.. since i'd need to be carrying it about a bit. Have a telescopic one, but its bloody heavy to lug around :)

Thats the same thing just different name but if you shop around some of the more expensive ones are a lot lighter.
If you want really light then defo a electron ladder you can get them for under £40 off ebay used and most are 4 meters they are better than rope ladders as they dont twist where as rope ladders twist there tits off and you end up in a mess stuck also i seen shadow make one and every step up you made it stretched and took you down lol.

[SparkUK]

Another vote for electron ladders but they've pretty limited uses for exploring really to be honest.

[catbalou]

Thats the same thing just different name but if you shop around some of the more expensive ones are a lot lighter.
If you want really light then defo a electron ladder you can get them for under £40 off ebay used and most are 4 meters they are better than rope ladders as they dont twist where as rope ladders twist there tits off and you end up in a mess stuck also i seen shadow make one and every step up you made it stretched and took you down lol.

will look into the electron ladder definitely, thanks for that.

i was experimenting with making them myself and found that it was kinda 'stretchy' and i was heading down more than i was going up... :rolleyes:
I guess that would be ok if i was just going down...but not so good for return journey :)

[styru]

Just remember that Mr Plod may well class having one as 'going equipped' - a nice quick way for them to try to turn simple civil trespass into a criminal act.

[diehardlove]

will look into the electron ladder definitely, thanks for that.

i was experimenting with making them myself and found that it was kinda 'stretchy' and i was heading down more than i was going up... :rolleyes:
I guess that would be ok if i was just going down...but not so good for return journey :)

Thats ok
Lol we gave up on making them in the end as could not find anything apart from static rope that did not stretch and that defeated the point as would have been easier for us to just carry srt gear with us.

[catbalou]

Another vote for electron ladders but they've pretty limited uses for exploring really to be honest.

Yeah, i hear you on that, i was looking for something easier to carry around than the bloody heavy telescopic ones ive got that wouldnt raise too much suspicion... and also light/small enough if i have to run quick or dump them somewhere to be retrieved later.

[diehardlove]

Yeah, i hear you on that, i was looking for something easier to carry around than the bloody heavy telescopic ones ive got that wouldnt raise too much suspicion... and also light/small enough if i have to run quick or dump them somewhere to be retrieved later.

As spark said ive used mine twice for exploring Srt all around all you need is a few bits and bobs and as long as you have a brain and learn some safety techniques and rescue techniques and dont go mental on the height then you will be fine and when you get brave and learn more you can move on to the really high and brave stuff also it all stuffs in a ruck sack and if your only doing 4 to 10 meter srt then to be honest you could learn it in a few days with a climbing center.

[Squirrell 911]

Dont bother they are shit and if you make them out of blue rope they will just stretch and twist and you will be fucked ask petzl about getting stuck in a well lol,
.

Pfft If you make them properly then you will be fine. I made my Squirrelite (tm) ladder out of such mterials and short bits of chain and its shit hot plus I know its load rated to 200 kilo because that was the rating on the rope and the chain was a bit higher. :thumb

[The Lone Ranger]

Yeah, i hear you on that, i was looking for something easier to carry around than the bloody heavy telescopic ones ive got that wouldnt raise too much suspicion... and also light/small enough if i have to run quick or dump them somewhere to be retrieved later.

I have a skirting board ladder if that's any use?

Electron ladders are good, but they don't stand up by themself, plus as said there is the coming equiped aspect for a solid ladder. There are usually lots of make do ladders kicking about places that are explores; sometimes even ladders :)

[catbalou]

I made my Squirrelite (tm) ladder out of such mterials and short bits of chain and its shit hot plus I know its load rated to 200 kilo because that was the rating on the rope and the chain was a bit higher. :thumb

"Squirrelite Ladders"... nice one!
This website should have a "28DL kit shop" by the sounds of what some of you manage to make :D

[diehardlove]

Pfft If you make them properly then you will be fine. I made my Squirrelite (tm) ladder out of such mterials and short bits of chain and its shit hot plus I know its load rated to 200 kilo because that was the rating on the rope and the chain was a bit higher. :thumb

sounds like a homemade electron lol with all that chain bet you jangle all the way to the explore just dont forget to give mrs squirrel her bondage chains back:D
It would worry me with a homemade ladder i just would shit myself at 4 meters for £40 for a electron for me its just not worth it but thats probally all just in my head.

[Squirrell 911]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o241/neil964_photos/001-9.jpg

Squirrelite (tm) ladder. a shade under £20 in materials and last used in bradford drainz with cripple approval too! ;). Chain rungs but wrapped in insulating tape so they dont knot up. Metal spreader for the top aswel. Scaffhook.....I found! Win :D

[Dark Explorer]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-METRE-LONG-16MM-POLY-HEMP-ROPE-LADDER-ASH-RUNGS-/280556998451?pt=UK_Toys_Games_Outdoor_Toys_ET&hash=item4152800f33
Best one ive seen

[PeZ]

pure genius! :thumb

[Bunk3r]

Heres my one (one day I may take a better picture of it lol):
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb42/bunk3rb0y/Other/LadderSmall.jpg

made from rope, Alpine butterfly knots, and bits of hosepipe to keep the rungs spread.

It doesnt get used on many explores at all but there are situations it is handy.

[catbalou]

made from rope, Alpine butterfly knots, and bits of hosepipe to keep the rungs spread.

It doesnt get used on many explores at all but there are situations it is handy.

Oh, now that looks canny for what I want it for... and 'fairly' simple to make.. well, at least easier to make than the Squirrellite.. :)
Thanks for that

[danensis]

Just carry a 27ft extending aluminium ladder, a bucket of soapy water, and a chamois leather, and no-one will stop you when you prop your ladder up against a building.

John

[catbalou]

Just carry a 27ft extending aluminium ladder, a bucket of soapy water, and a chamois leather, and no-one will stop you when you prop your ladder up against a building.

John

Aye... but they might wonder why Im propped up on a ladder with a chamois and bucket against a window with no glass ;)

[tweek]

chiroptera linked this on chat earlier... looks good. nice little video.

http://www.itstactical.com/skillcom/knots/loops/knot-of-the-week-how-to-tie-an-etrier-and-create-a-field-expedient-ladder/

[tweek]

Oh man, please make sure credit is given to the relevant person... It was actually me who posted the link.

sheepdisease linked this on chat earlier... looks good. nice little video.

http://www.itstactical.com/skillcom/...edient-ladder/

[chiroptera]

Oh man, please make sure credit is given to the relevant person... It was actually me who posted the link.

Yep. I posted a link to this thread, not to the video.

[chiroptera]

Hello Tweek, thanks mate. I've just this minute bought Beal 10.0mm Antipodes Low Stretch / mtr. 11 for £20.02 & A362 DMM Aero HMS Screw Gate for £11.00.

chiroptera recommended using these instead/in addition to those in the video.

My rope ladder-to-be-made on receipt has therefore cost £34.97 including P&P.

Btw, you can certainly get HMS screw gate carabiners for less than 10 quid - that would've made your ladder a bit cheaper :p

[wormster]

HMMMMM...........secondhand electron ladders off fleabay.

Caveat Emptor - do you know its history?? it may be cheap, but it may also be fooked, best off spending a few squids more and getting a genuwine one from a reputable dealer!

[Bunk3r]

^electron ladders arent PPE (neither are rope ladders:rolleyes:), if its a big drop you 'should' also have a lifeline on.
(yes not always needed or practical etc but is the 'proper' way).

[Shocktactics]

ive used directional fig 8's in rope in the past, they work pretty well.

[Sheepdisease]

I've just put together my own Etrier using Beal Antipodes Semi-static Rigging/Caving Rope 10mm x11m, DMM Aero HMS Screw Gate, Old Hose Pipe and Black Electrical Tape.

It is designed to be used at half height or full, with a caribiner to secure it. This has been designed with pallisade fences in mind. It is approx. 10 foot long when fully extended. The caribiner has been covered in hose pipe as a cushion, then sealed using black electrical tape to prevent a lot of movement/noise.

I rigged the rope up to the top of our loft ladder and put my entire weight on each loop I created. Once completed, I then wet the rope and left it to dry to make it more secure and less giving.

http://i52.tinypic.com/4fdx1.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/xkrspl.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/34no5mx.jpg

[chiroptera]

I've just put together my own Etrier using Beal Antipodes Semi-static Rigging/Caving Rope 10mm x11m, DMM Aero HMS Screw Gate, Old Hose Pipe and Black Electrical Tape.

It is designed tobe used at half height or full, with a caribiner to secure it. This has been designed with pallisade fences in mind. It is approx. 10 foot long when fully extended. The caribiner has been covered in hose pipe as a cushion, then sealed using black electrical tape to prevent a lot of moment/noise.


Nice rope ladder :thumb

[diehardlove]

Yeah thats a nice homemade etrier there.
Its got about 4 more steps than the petzl one as well so is loads better !! well done fella.

[Sheepdisease]

Tesco Direct have an two storey 2.4mtr emergency escape ladder for £39 with hooks on the end looks very good, they also do a three story 7.3mtr one as well....link.....
http://direct.tesco.com/search/default.aspx?search=ladders&confirm.x=32&confirm.y=7

Looks quite cool, not sure how useful that would be for these types of situations though.. Those pictures don't give you a very good idea.

[Ric]

thanks for the mahoosive pics sheepdiesese...

[Speshtard]

http://extremeclimbing.co.uk/Lhotse-Climbing-Step-Ladder

Cheap, and practical. :thumb

[Sheepdisease]

That looks like a good ladder at a reasonable price.

[Oxygen Thief]

Looks OK.

This is the best out there... http://www.inglesport.com/shop/category/116/Ladders-Fibrelight/

Very light and portable, mine has been used in all sorts of situations, although it does need a repair now.

[Speshtard]

Yeah, I had a look at those. They look nice but £105 is a bit steep for me. What did you do to damage yours?

[Sheepdisease]

Looks OK.

This is the best out there... http://www.inglesport.com/shop/category/116/Ladders-Fibrelight/

Very light and portable, mine has been used in all sorts of situations, although it does need a repair now.

But that is over £100!

[Oxygen Thief]

But that is over £100!

Maybe you should read how I damaged it...

What did you do to damage yours?

OK, it's a little told story, probably not for public consumption, but if it will help just one person here goes...

A few years back I did this...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/cjwinternet/Shoreham%20Chimney/IMG_4590.jpg

To access the chimney ladder you have to climb on a fairly high roof, then get a rope ladder hooked on to the main ladder, which is cut off still some way above you. Coming back down I slipped during the transition onto the fibrelight, and I fell. Expecting to be splattered on the floor and probably dead or seriously injured, imagine my surprise when a second later I was swinging upside down by my ankle, which had slipped through the rungs. It took a lot of effort to get back on the ladder, and the fibrelight got damaged at some point during this incident.

Do you think a homemade or cheap ladder would have saved my life? I seriously doubt it, and that makes £100 a small price to pay.

Your choice.

In my opinion, you shouldn't make a ladder be the unpredictable possibly weak link, when you have the choice otherwise.

[nolimitsphotographyDan]

Maybe you should read how I damaged it...



OK, it's a little told story, probably not for public consumption, but if it will help just one person here goes...

A few years back I did this...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/cjwinternet/Shoreham%20Chimney/IMG_4590.jpg

To access the chimney ladder you have to climb on a fairly high roof, then get a rope ladder hooked on to the main ladder, which is cut off still some way above you. Coming back down I slipped during the transition onto the fibrelight, and I fell. Expecting to be splattered on the floor and probably dead or seriously injured, imagine my surprise when a second later I was swinging upside down by my ankle, which had slipped through the rungs. It took a lot of effort to get back on the ladder, and the fibrelight got damaged at some point during this incident.

Do you think a homemade or cheap ladder would have saved my life? I seriously doubt it, and that makes £100 a small price to pay.

Your choice.

In my opinion, you shouldn't make a ladder be the unpredictable possibly weak link, when you have the choice otherwise.

I bet you needed clean change of underwear after this?

I suppose by the time you gather the stuff and spend the time making one it works out just buying one and putting the extra time into over time at work, both will work out costing the same, man hours time spent making ect.

[diehardlove]

Glad to see I'm not the only person who clips on aswell as after a thread a few weeks ago it looked like no one else did,see you can all fuck yourselves:D I'm not the only one who feels better with a harness.
Well I think its a harness and clicked on I'm on my phone so hard to see.

[nolimitsphotographyDan]

Glad to see I'm not the only person who clips on aswell as after a thread a few weeks ago it looked like no one else did,see you can all fuck yourselves:D I'm not the only one who feels better with a harness.
Well I think its a harness and clicked on I'm on my phone so hard to see.

It sure does look like a harness, next thing i want to invest in is a harness, we have got a few at work but they are the full body harnesses which i think are OTT, looking for more of the waist harnesses.

Apparently (dont quote me on this) if you fall when attached to a harness you have 10mins to free your self otherwise you could risk loosing limbs :eek:

[diehardlove]

It sure does look like a harness, next thing i want to invest in is a harness, we have got a few at work but they are the full body harnesses which i think are OTT, looking for more of the waist harnesses.

Apparently (dont quote me on this) if you fall when attached to a harness you have 10mins to free your self otherwise you could risk loosing limbs :eek:
its not limbs you worry about its death the person has to be not moving as movement allows blood flow unless tightly restricted.It's the reason if you get trapped after a period of time your friends should not untrap you.Good old toxic shock syndrome.
Funniest thing I have seen is a member doing his cowtails too long and not being able to unclip as was out of reach....... il let them admit it to say the least they was pretty wet after we finished flicking water at them.

[Horus]

Glad to see I'm not the only person who clips on aswell as after a thread a few weeks ago it looked like no one else did,see you can all fuck yourselves:D I'm not the only one who feels better with a harness.
Well I think its a harness and clicked on I'm on my phone so hard to see.

No shame being safe mate

[nolimitsphotographyDan]

its not limbs you worry about its death the person has to be not moving as movement allows blood flow unless tightly restricted.It's the reason if you get trapped after a period of time your friends should not untrap you.

Head about this with people getting crushed under lorry's and in between walls and cars, they are fine and alive but as soon as the pressure is released and they are removed from being trapped they die :(

[diehardlove]

No shame being safe mate

Totally agree mate I always do it was just on another thread no one would admit they did apart from me lol but I knew I wasn't the only one.ots got the brains to clip on as well it just gives you time to think and feel safe anyway sorry about going off thread.