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Lead or Rumour info - War Memorial, Melton Mowbray - Security not playing by the book

Discussion in 'Leads, Rumours and News...' started by KM_Punk, May 13, 2013.

  1. KM_Punk

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    I went to the War Memorial Hospital in Melton Mowbray as it hasn't been reported on for at least 3 years and it's somewhere that's been taunting me for a while. I got onto campus no problems and found a window where a steel board had been removed and I thought cool, so I used this as my access. As I was one leg in and one leg out, an indian guy in a security uniform appeared from nowhere and asked me what I was doing. So I explained my intentions and he told me that he was going to detain me and I was to pay a fine of £2,500. After seeing "GMS"'s thread about St John's Asylum and reading "LazarusOwenHart"'s comment about the rules and laws security have to abide by I requested to see his ID and asked if he had a 'purple strip' on his licence. He didn't have a clue what I was on about. He took me to the office (a house next to the main entrance), and there was a british security guy there. They stated that I had to pay a £2,500 fine and that they were holding me there for trespass. I told them that trespass was a civil matter and that if they didn't let me go I'll do them for false imprisonment and that I would like to see their ID's and security licences, I also told them that if there wasn't a purple strip on their licence, they couldn't fine me. They showed me their ID's but not there licences and I saw no purple strip. The british security guy went on his android phone to see about the purple strip and after a couple of minutes of reading something he looked at me and said that I could go but next time they would call the police. He looked really pissed off.
    I just thought I would share this thread as a warning incase somebody else was interested in going and got caught. Thank you LazarusOwenHart for sharing the info, It came in very handy today
     

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  2. Ojay

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    You did right to tell them to do one!

    £2,500 fine, lol
     
  3. KM_Punk

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    I paid less when I was done for vandelism of private property when I was a kid
     
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    Sounds like you played the situation well, but what's this purple strip malarkey?

    In England, fines can generally only be imposed by courts and local authorities. Definitely not private security companies

    As you say, trespass is a civil matter and even if it got to court you wouldn't get fined - possible (but unlikely) for damages to be awarded, more likely an injunction to stop you doing it again.
     
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    glad you got out that nasty situation
     
  6. KM_Punk

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    check GMS's thread on St John's Asylum, 3rd page and LazarusOwenHart explains it.
    To be Fair I didn't have a clue what I was looking for, I just acted like I knew what I was on about
     
  7. Ordnance

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    Urm! The only 'Purple Strip' I know of is on the Security Industry Authority (SIA) Licence for 'Cash & Valubles in Transit'. The standard 'Secority Guard' Licence has a Light Blue Strip. and NONE of them entitles them to fine anyone. Not even 'Car Imobilisers' but thats a differant story.

    Read it up:

    http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Documents/licensing/sia_get_licensed.pdf

    [​IMG]

    and no I am not involved with the secority industry, but keep up to date on what may involve me personally.
     
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    Ordnance is right, you've misunderstood Lazarus' advice.

    Any security guard who monitors CCTV covering public space needs a licence with a purple stripe - if the company fails to comply with any SIA regulations it can be fined up to £5000.

    Lazarus also mentions the right of a human to "demand a fine" - that is not true: I suppose they could ask you to voluntarily pay compensation if you had caused damage, but only the court could legally enforce this by issueing an order for damages - but then you're talking about a prosecution for criminal damage.

    Also, repeated trespass does not automatically become an offence - the remedy would be the same ie an injunction (unless your trespass was preventing the owner gaining benefit from his land, in which case damages could be awarded).
     
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    The ID that they presented did not look anything like what ordnance has posted. They where company made. Thanks for the heads up, looks like, although I know fuck all about it, They knew less lol
     
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    Easy way out of most situations is to call the police yourself

    I've found most security back down once you start dialing
     
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    Somehow I thought they would not be, as it is not a legal requirement, only a guideline, and unlike 'Front of House' Security (Doorman) and others with contact on public ground not enforced by the Police.
     
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    Well done for standing your ground - as we all know some (i repeat some) 'guards' are nothing short of petty criminals and will chance their luck in a situation of a quiet enclosed space.
     
  13. KM_Punk

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    That was my next move.
    I knew they couldn't detain or fine me. The fuckers watched me walk towards the town centre though and I think one of them walked to the end of the road to check if I went over Burton bridge. And to make it worse they were watching loose women!
     
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    You did we'll to keep your cool mate! I can't believe they still have security on that place after all this time.
     
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    No its a Maroon (Dark Red) Strip for CCTV overlooking a public place, if they only view the property, none is needed.
     
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