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Report - Tilberthwaite and Penny Rigg Copper and Slate Mines (Cumbria, Dec, 2021)

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urbanchemist

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Staying near the Lake District over Christmas we went on several family walks in mining areas, although this one was a solo effort.

The plan was to start at the top left of the map below and have a look at old copper mine adits above Tilberthwaite Gill (A - G ), followed by the lower slate workings (H - J), finishing with a long tunnel at K.

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This tunnel, the ‘deep adit’ or ‘horse crag level’, was driven in ca 1850 to drain the higher copper mines and to provide an easier route to cart out the ore.

The deep adit is well known and has been reported before, first in 2015 (along with a couple of the slate places) and again in 2017:


I haven’t found any underground pictures of the other sites - the photos below are a mixture of phone and camera.


A view of the first location A from the other side of the valley.

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Three adits are visible, but only the lowest one with the largest waste heap went any distance.

This turned out to be typical for most of the holes in this region - flooded tunnels 50-100 yards long which meander around with a few offshoots, never hitting any significant ore vein.

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Walking around to B, this had a little ruin in front of the adit, which was blocked with rocks, presumably to prevent sheep falling down - I left it as I found it.

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The adit at C was flooded to within a foot of the ceiling, so I had a look at a fenced-off shaft up the hill instead, top right of the photo below.

The partially flooded lower level was accessible but the whole place looked dodgy so I didn’t go further.

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D has a couple of ruined buildings, probably mill remains, and seems to be the site of the original Tilberthwaite mines, more info here: https://heritagerecords.nationaltrust.org.uk/HBSMR/MonRecord.aspx?uid=MNA119493.

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Everything was water-powered in the early days of course, and there’s plenty of water nearby, along with the remains of what looks like an old leat (not shown).

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There are few deep fissures nearby, maybe worked-out veins, but nothing really explorable without climbing equipment.

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Down the hill there are two very short adits at E, the upper slightly flooded one featuring a hole in the floor with a view of lower levels.

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Passing several trial levels along the side of Steel Edge we come to F, appearing sometime between 1860 and 1912 and marked as ‘Wetherlam Mines’ on one map.

This must have been fairly productive judging by the terraced remains of an ore processing plant.

No obvious sign of a wheel pit, only some old ironwork made by John Fell and Co of Wolverhampton.

I haven’t found any information about this maker but a firm of the same name based in London is listed as making steam engines and boilers.

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The adit behind was blocked by waste, but looked as if it could opened up again without too much effort.



The final copper adit explored in this region is G, another flooded one but with no signs of connections to anything else.

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There is another adit shown on old maps nearby, downstream of a waterfall on Tilberthwaite Gill.

The second picture below, taken from the other side of the ravine, may be it but I didn’t have time to investigate.

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urbanchemist

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Now moving into slate territory there are a couple of small slate quarries near H - both have little ruins outside but only the lower one, pictured here, has an underground section of any length.


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Downhill is the main quarry at Penny Rigg (Horse Crag Quarry, I) which has a small adit at the top end, collapsed after about 15 yards.


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After this quarry was worked out, it was flooded and used as a reservoir for the ore plant below K, the water flowing out through an old quarry adit into a leat for the waterwheel.

Pictures of this one go uphill - there’s a partial blockage after a while which you could crawl through but it was getting late so I gave that a miss.


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Next a couple of pictures of the remains of the ore plant starting with a tourist sign showing what it may have looked like.

There’s a detailed analysis of what went on here: https://naaheritage.com/sites/default/files/Reports1319_Rpt 16-145_Penny Rigg Copper Mill Final Report COMPRESSED.pdf


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Finally the deep adit itself. It starts with a short tunnel leading to a medium-sized slate cavern.


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The tunnel then continues with a few slight bends until after a sharp left turn a worked-out vein is reached.

Some mine enthusiasts have spent a lot of time and effort clearing out the further reaches, with bagged waste stacked along one section for over 100 yards.


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Looking upwards at the end - the camera lens was fogging up again.

There are ladders going up on the right which seemed to be in reasonable condition but I made no attempt to climb them (the rungs of the lower one have been removed anyway).


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I haven’t looked for a map of the system so don’t know where this tunnel finishes - somewhere out beyond D I think.


This turned out to be a rather long day, but with limited time just the deep adit and associated surface ruins are probably the best value - easy, dry, and right next to a carpark.


Apart from copper valley itself just down the road, the hills around Coniston are full of underground things to explore if you are that way inclined.
 

westernsultan

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A very detailed report - William White's 1851 History, Gazetteer, and Directory of Staffordshire, and Melville & Company's 1851 Wolverhampton Directory, includes the following occupants of St. James's Square in Wolverhampton

John Fell and Company, brass founders, plumbers, gas fitters, lamp, chandelier, and beer machine manufacturers

That's all I can find
 
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The Lone Ranger

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Cracking report / reports, I love the area and often a New Years stroll for me too.
Fantastic to see what CATMHS have done in Penny Rigg, was work in progress last time I was there and then suffered major setbacks when the Lakes were hit with extreem rain and flooding.
 

Calamity Jane

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Cracking report. Really great images. I think the flooding sometimes enhances the photo, though in one photo you can see what looks like a rotten floor with bits missing, Id be scared of slipping off that.
The water does seem calming though. The views fantastic and the remains great. :thumb
 

urbanchemist

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Cracking report. Really great images. I think the flooding sometimes enhances the photo, though in one photo you can see what looks like a rotten floor with bits missing, Id be scared of slipping off that.
The water does seem calming though. The views fantastic and the remains great. :thumb
There are a few holes in the floors of these tunnels, but flooded adits are the safe ones - you just end up wet, not dead if the floor gives way.
 

CantClimbTom

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Beautiful pics, particularly liked the shot of the open quarry (Horse crag). Looks like a long day out.
 

Bazza74

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Very interesting, spend a decent amount of time in the lakes (more climbing than tunnelling) so great to see what’s below
 

synchronoscope

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Very interesting as ever! The John Fell machinery is a horse gin. Animal powered gear mechanism more usually used for driving pumps and farm equipment.
 

urbanchemist

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Very interesting as ever! The John Fell machinery is a horse gin. Animal powered gear mechanism more usually used for driving pumps and farm equipment.
Thanks, how interesting, never come across one before.

I’d got as far as realising that the socket probably had a baulk of timber in it, but the gearing up made no sense for a control mechanism. Maybe it operated an ore crusher or jiggers in the mill.


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